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My point was that TT built a SB caliber-team in 2007, one that had the ball at the end with a chance at the SB and Faver threw it away. Just like he did with the Vikings and with the Packers v. Eagles in 2003.


You should have added Faver's last real pass as a Jet (not counting a desperate hook and ladder lateral-fest with time expiring), with a chance at the playoffs- also intercepted. I'm starting to see a pattern.

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Apparently Don Beebe is not good enough. Is nothing sacred these days?
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Apparently Don Beebe is not good enough. Is nothing sacred these days?


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I guess i'll be the one who argues on behalf of Ahman Green

2000: (16 games)
1,175yds 4.5avg 10 TDs
73 rec. 600 yards 3 TDs

2001: (16 games)
1,387yds 4.6avg 9TDs
62rec 600 yards 2 TDs

2002: (14 games)
1,240yds 4.3avg 7 TDs
57rec 400yards 2 TDs

2003: (16 games)
1,883yds 5.3avg 15 TDs
50rec 370yds 5TDs

2004: (15 games)
1,163yds 4.5avg 9 TDs
40 rec 275yds 1 TD

That seems like a pretty good running back to me.


He was a pretty good running back, but you would think, at least I did, that the Packers would have a GREAT RB at least once since the 60s.


If more teams had a combo of a Hall of Fame QB paired with a great RB there'd be more dynasties in the NFL. I'm willing to bet you couldn't name Brady's RBs during his superbowl years without google. Let me give you a list of the previous superbowl winning RBs.

2011- Ahmad Bradshaw
2010- James Starks
2009- Reggie Bush/Pierre Thomas
2008- Willie Parker
2007- Brandon Jacobs
2006- Jerome Bettis
2005- Corey Dillion
2004- Kevin Faulk
2003- Michael Pittman
2002- Jamal Lewis
2001- Antowain Smith
2000- Marshall Faulk

Running backs are not nearly as important as you're making them out to be in todays day and age.

I can't think of may teams with 2 Hall of fame QBs, with hopefully a 3rd on his way. Theres 3 decades of phenomenal QB play (give/take a couple years)


OK, so you didn't think that our former QB needed more help, I did. But as my post said, BF didn't have any HOF calibre RBs OR WRs. Bet I could name a lot of premier WR on SuperBowl teams.


Help doing what. Throwing stupid interceptions to cost his teams big games? C'mon, Bus. And, nice try on Ahamn Green. You now say he needed a HOF running back, not one who gained 1,800 yards rushing in a single season. Much more than any back in the Rodgers era. Faver just wasn't up to the challenge after Holmgren left. Once he got his own locker room and a stooge HC who never challenged him and let him show up whenever he wanted Faver lost interest in the sacrifice necessary for title runs.


If all you look at with green is yards - HOF. Its interesting that you can overlook his uncanny ability to put the ball on the turf, yet are so fixated with our former QBs interceptions. You can't judge green without taking fumbles into account, just like you can't judge BF without taking INTs into account.

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You can't judge green without taking fumbles into account, just like you can't judge BF without taking INTs into account.


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You can't judge green without taking fumbles into account, just like you can't judge BF without taking INTs into account.


The fucktard has a point for once.


Fumbles don't dismiss the fact that Green was a "great" RB during his prime, just like interceptions don't dismiss the fact that #4 is a hall of famer. They both had turnover problems, but Ahman Green was the focal point of the offense in the early 2000's. Maybe Green isn't a "great" RB in the grand scheme of things, but during that 5 year span there were few RBs better.

I tried to look it up but I remember hearing Faver say in an interview back in the early 2000's that "Ahman Green is the face of the franchise right now."

Anyone else remember that or am I making that up.

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get louder at lambeau wrote:
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You can't judge green without taking fumbles into account, just like you can't judge BF without taking INTs into account.


The fucktard has a point for once.


Fumbles don't dismiss the fact that Green was a "great" RB during his prime, just like interceptions don't dismiss the fact that #4 is a hall of famer. They both had turnover problems, but Ahman Green was the focal point of the offense in the early 2000's. Maybe Green isn't a "great" RB in the grand scheme of things, but during that 5 year span there were few RBs better.

I tried to look it up but I remember hearing Faver say in an interview back in the early 2000's that "Ahman Green is the face of the franchise right now."

Anyone else remember that or am I making that up.


I also remember our former QB saying that "this group of guys is as good as any that I've been around" at the start of every season that ended up short of expectations.

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get louder at lambeau wrote:
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You can't judge green without taking fumbles into account, just like you can't judge BF without taking INTs into account.


The fucktard has a point for once.


Fumbles don't dismiss the fact that Green was a "great" RB during his prime, just like interceptions don't dismiss the fact that #4 is a hall of famer. They both had turnover problems, but Ahman Green was the focal point of the offense in the early 2000's. Maybe Green isn't a "great" RB in the grand scheme of things, but during that 5 year span there were few RBs better.

I tried to look it up but I remember hearing Faver say in an interview back in the early 2000's that "Ahman Green is the face of the franchise right now."

Anyone else remember that or am I making that up.


I also remember our former QB saying that "this group of guys is as good as any that I've been around" at the start of every season that ended up short of expectations.


So we're in agreement that the constant (#4) on those ever changing teams was the reason why no championships were won?

Glad you see it my way Embarassed

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So we're in agreement that the constant (#4) on those ever changing teams was the reason why no championships were won?


I agree with that. Faver was a great QB, no doubt, but you have to be more consistently careful with the ball in the playoffs than he was to advance game after game in a one-and-done tournament. Game manager types do better than gunslingers in that format.

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So we're in agreement that the constant (#4) on those ever changing teams was the reason why no championships were won?


I agree with that. Faver was a great QB, no doubt, but you have to be more consistently careful with the ball in the playoffs than he was to advance game after game in a one-and-done tournament. Game manager types do better than gunslingers in that format.


I agree with that too except, most game managers don't get to the playoffs. AR is no game manager. Clearly our former QB was foot loose with the football, but I wouldn't trade his almost 20 years for anything that we've had before or since. (jury still out on the AR body of work).

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get louder at lambeau wrote:
Marano 20 wrote:
So we're in agreement that the constant (#4) on those ever changing teams was the reason why no championships were won?


I agree with that. Faver was a great QB, no doubt, but you have to be more consistently careful with the ball in the playoffs than he was to advance game after game in a one-and-done tournament. Game manager types do better than gunslingers in that format.


I agree with that too except, most game managers don't get to the playoffs. AR is no game manager. Clearly our former QB was foot loose with the football, but I wouldn't trade his almost 20 years for anything that we've had before or since. (jury still out on the AR body of work).


Without looking up any stats I don't think Green had major fumbling problems. But when he did fumble it was ALWAYS AT THE WORST FUCKING TIME. DAMN IT, I'M GETTING ALL WORKED UP AND MY CAPS LOCK IS ON!!!!
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So we're in agreement that the constant (#4) on those ever changing teams was the reason why no championships were won?


I agree with that. Faver was a great QB, no doubt, but you have to be more consistently careful with the ball in the playoffs than he was to advance game after game in a one-and-done tournament. Game manager types do better than gunslingers in that format.


I agree with that too except, most game managers don't get to the playoffs. AR is no game manager. Clearly our former QB was foot loose with the football, but I wouldn't trade his almost 20 years for anything that we've had before or since. (jury still out on the AR body of work).


I mean game manager as skill more than a limitation in this case. Rodgers is a great game manager. It's part of his skillset. Brady and Brees are too. Faver? Not so much.

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get louder at lambeau wrote:
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So we're in agreement that the constant (#4) on those ever changing teams was the reason why no championships were won?


I agree with that. Faver was a great QB, no doubt, but you have to be more consistently careful with the ball in the playoffs than he was to advance game after game in a one-and-done tournament. Game manager types do better than gunslingers in that format.


I agree with that too except, most game managers don't get to the playoffs. AR is no game manager. Clearly our former QB was foot loose with the football, but I wouldn't trade his almost 20 years for anything that we've had before or since. (jury still out on the AR body of work).


What jury is still out on Aaron Rodgers Superbowl, Superbowl MVP, record setting 2011, and league MVP, NFL Record Passer Rating? I'd like to meet this jury.

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[quote="Bus Cook"][quote="BradyPopped-Inga"][quote="Bus Cook"][quote="Marano 20"][quote="Bus Cook"][quote="Marano 20"]I guess i'll be the one who argues on behalf of Ahman Green

2000: (16 games)
1,175yds 4.5avg 10 TDs
73 rec. 600 yards 3 TDs

2001: (16 games)
1,387yds 4.6avg 9TDs
62rec 600 yards 2 TDs

2002: (14 games)
1,240yds 4.3avg 7 TDs
57rec 400yards 2 TDs

2003: (16 games)
1,883yds 5.3avg 15 TDs
50rec 370yds 5TDs

2004: (15 games)
1,163yds 4.5avg 9 TDs
40 rec 275yds 1 TD

That seems like a pretty good running back to me.[/quote]

He was a pretty good running back, but you would think, at least I did, that the Packers would have a GREAT RB at least once since the 60s.[/quote]

If more teams had a combo of a Hall of Fame QB paired with a great RB there'd be more dynasties in the NFL. I'm willing to bet you couldn't name Brady's RBs during his superbowl years without google. Let me give you a list of the previous superbowl winning RBs.

2011- Ahmad Bradshaw
2010- James Starks
2009- Reggie Bush/Pierre Thomas
2008- Willie Parker
2007- Brandon Jacobs
2006- Jerome Bettis
2005- Corey Dillion
2004- Kevin Faulk
2003- Michael Pittman
2002- Jamal Lewis
2001- Antowain Smith
2000- Marshall Faulk

Running backs are not nearly as important as you're making them out to be in todays day and age.

I can't think of may teams with 2 Hall of fame QBs, with hopefully a 3rd on his way. Theres 3 decades of phenomenal QB play (give/take a couple years)[/quote]

OK, so you didn't think that our former QB needed more help, I did. But as my post said, BF didn't have any HOF calibre RBs OR WRs. Bet I could name a lot of premier WR on SuperBowl teams.[/quote]

Help doing what. Throwing stupid interceptions to cost his teams big games? C'mon, Bus. And, nice try on Ahamn Green. You now say he needed a HOF running back, not one who gained 1,800 yards rushing in a single season. Much more than any back in the Rodgers era. Faver just wasn't up to the challenge after Holmgren left. Once he got his own locker room and a stooge HC who never challenged him and let him show up whenever he wanted Faver lost interest in the sacrifice necessary for title runs.[/quote]

If all you look at with green is yards - HOF. Its interesting that you can overlook his uncanny ability to put the ball on the turf, yet are so fixated with our former QBs interceptions. You can't judge green without taking fumbles into account, just like you can't judge BF without taking INTs into account.[/quote]

I mentioned Green's infurating fumble near the end of the first half of the Eagle's 4th and 26 playoff game. Not saying Ahman is HOF, just that he gained a lot of yards running and receiving for the packers and along with that OLine you say was so great, disproves your "poor Brent had not enough help" meme.

Green's fumbling was a perfect compliment to a QB who threw more int's than any other in league history and personally lost at least four playoff games for his teams over the years. He couldn't even complete the pass to Jan Sterger in NY because somebody intercepted the dick photo. Faver needed help all right---from [i]himself.[/i] Laughing
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There was also what should have been a second SB appearance but for your boy Faver's choke at the end v. the Giants.


I love this quote. He was playing his ass off the entire game while the rest of the team looked like they couldn't care less. An int at the end and it was ALL his fault right? AR is a great quarterback too but I think the results would've been similar if he was in that position.

I agree with Bus on this one. We are the same type of team we were under Sherman. Good offense and a bad defense which will result in us making the playoffs but losing in the first or second round. We need a defense if we're ever gonna go deep in the playoffs. I think the rest of the nfl has figured out our offense so we're not gonna be able to run it up every week. Capers has to try something different or put some of the back ups in to light a fire under our starters asses. I'm just tired of seeing this defense suck ass every year and costing us game after game.




I dont think Rodgers would throw to the only covered guy on the field. That was #4's specialty.


That pic is after he threw the ball, back that up to his choices right before he threw it and you'd see he didn't have much of anything.

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